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The "echo" sound


It would appear this is all the rage right now on 11m emoticon

Don't know where it come from, but all of a sudden there are loads of stations using the echo head-in-big-empty-tank sound. This is not only us ordinary stations, but some of the well know 11m big gun types seem to have adopted it.

Maybe its a way to "stand out" when calling, as it certainly focus' the mind when you hear it. At least it does right now, but I suppose as more and more guys start callingcalling, it will diminish.

From a personal point of view, I dont like echo, or the empty room sound. I do like strong audio and I do like different sounding stations, but echo mics are not my bag emoticon

Each to their own though and it would never stop me from working any station for sure, unlike a high gain beep YUK! emoticon

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Re: The "echo" sound


i have allso noticed the echo boys on 11m
ithink its them cheap nasty anytone type
of radio with built in echo,s
and due to the good prop atm its dragging the 19 muppets down on to t5 so they can
act the part?so now i tend to hang around on 26,285 for better qso and qrm free.
oooooolalalala, pepsecolalalala
i hate echo with a numpty on the end of it
now the ssb is almost legal now so i have been told its going to get worse.
thank god for EC/BANDS no echo atm fingers crossed,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Re: The "echo" sound


I don't like echo, unless it's due to natural multipath reception - now that does sound nice.

I don't know where some guys get the idea from, but I have heard mic echo being justified as an aid to readability - what a load of crap, all it does is mess up the audio.

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Re: The "echo" sound


i dont like echo on ssb but i do like the empty room sound as long as its not a massive room emoticon i think sometimes it can make the audio more powerfull sounding. simon 204 has the empty room echo and he sounds great on ssb, i think i have a small room echo with mine or at least i did on the kenwood. its boring if everyone sounds the same

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Re: The "echo" sound


as we approach our winter equnox you get short path & long path signals intertwining resulting in a echo as 1 signal is faster than the other?

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Re: The "echo" sound


At first, that's what I thought they were hearing - usually one signal off the back of the beam from somewhere in europe, and the second, delayed signal which has gone right around the world and comes in from the other direction - a delay of about 1/8 of a second.

I've noticed a lot of that on the higher bands recently and will presumably increase as the sun wakes up.

You can tell if it's a natural echo or not, because the nature of the echo will change as time goes by, and may become more noticable as the main signal fades into QSB and almost dissappear if the main signal comes up strong.

I heard a lovely example the other day, one guy in Scotland talking to a station in New Zealand on 15m. Very pronounced echo when he faded down.

Of course, the 'head in a bucket' sound created by having an amplified microphone set too loud is another thing entirely.

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Re: The "echo" sound


I have one of those 'cheap & nasty' anytones (well its a k-po dx5000 but same thing), but I would never use echo on ssb, it sounds horrible and makes the audio much harder to understand.
I have been told I do have a slight 'empty room' sound to my audio though, and I think thats because my DX 'shack' is a bare walled brick shed !
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brick sheds rule.... lol. i insulated mine a couple of years ago, makes it more comfy but stil keeps the empty room sound depending on mic gain settings emoticon

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Re: The "echo" sound


I don`t really mind the effect either way, as long as it`s done tastefully, some these units are little more than a racket though, and I much prefer the naturally occurring echo effects that can be had for free when conditions are right.
I tend to get the best dual-path effects when listening for DX on the MW band late evenings and in the winter.

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Re: The "echo" sound


quote:

Nik Gnashers wrote:

I have one of those 'cheap & nasty' anytones (well its a k-po dx5000 but same thing), but I would never use echo on ssb, it sounds horrible and makes the audio much harder to understand.



Ditto on the set, ditto on the thoughts on echo! The "E-Tone" knob on this one is firmly in the off position, where it will likely see its days out at!

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